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were to come bear fruit you saw you were hurting clinton or you were hurting trump and that was your role in they lection, how did you feel about that? >> i feel just fine. i do believe that we've got the two party system is a two party dinosaur and they're about to come in contact with the comet here. that's a real possibility. there are extremes on both sides. i think most americans are libertarian. this is an opportunity tonight to describe that. >> he is the vice chair of the new jersey. he said he is supporting the governor johnson. both of the major party candidates have been graced a protectionist anti-free trade policy. tell us why supporting free trade benefits american businesses and american
consumers. >> free trade does benefit. i think unfairly free trade has come under criticism for being crony capitalism. see, we're anti-crony capitalism. so much of legislation that gets passed, so much of what goes on under the guise of free trade really is crony capitalism. the fact that favoritism is for sale when it comes to government. and congress sells it. government can level the playing field for everyone. and saw that as governor of new mexico. i had the best record of jobs in the 2012 presidential race. something that they brought out. i think i was -- i think i was responsible for leveling that playing field. something that we both understand and can accomplish and that level playing field really is a free trade. >> but in the purest sense, free
trade is always going to benefit the united states compared to other countries because we have the highest rate of productivity. and we're the most technologically advanced country in the world. we'll always have that edge. free trade is going to produce high wage jobs in the united states. you know, it's an imparityive to get the wage level up in this country. and that's one of the things that is going to do it. you may lose at the margin some low wage job. but free trade over the long haul, even the intermediate hall haul is going to increase the wage level. the notion that mr. trump has of let's impose the huge tariffs, we tried that with the smooth tariff in the 1920s and it croaked the world economy. >> everybody is saying jobs, jobs, jobs, in the election now. nobody is saying how, how, how? when you say that -- because, look, trade goes away as an issue of a problem if you generate good jobs at home. you just said that. how do you generate good jobs in the united states? >> well, as president of the
united states, looking to get lekted president of the united states, count on me to sign on tax policy that would reduce or simplify taxes in this country. but if i can wave a magic wand, i would eliminate income tax. i would eliminate corporate tax. i would abolish the irs. i would replace it all with one federal consumption tax. if we have zero corporate tax in this country, i believe that tens of millions of jobs will get created in this country for no other reason, why you would start up, grow a business anywhere but the united states given a zero corporate tax rate? and what do you replace all that with? like i say, you replace it with a one federal consumption tax. i suggest that everybody look at the fair tax as a way to dot the is and cross the ts on how you would accomplish one federal consumption tax. that up is for grabs. whether it's the exact percentageors exactly the way
that the fair tax proposal does that, but it is laid out very specific. >> the devil is a little in the details, governor. the big problem with doing what you're doing you is wind up cutting the amount of revenues that the government has to work with. >> actually, revenue neutral. the whole proposal -- >> according to economists, that's not so easy to achieve. >> well, maybe not. >> you're doing -- why? just to give you the context, why? if you say the fair tax number is thrown out is 28%. this is the consumption tax. so you're reducing the 39% from the top level down. that creates an issue about how you want to distribute the tax burden. >> you're getting a little too into the weave here. >> it matters to people. one tax. but you're also cutting the revenues in half. so how does the government provide the tax? >> i think we're getting too into the weeds here. the bottom shrine that we're going to look to make the revenue neutral. and if it needs to be tweaked, you know, look, this is an open
debate and discussion that we as americans need to v look, imagine life in this country without the irs. greatly simplified. the more money you make, the more money you consume. or the more things you consume. >> i don't think you have to go so far as abolishing the irs. if you give the people the sense that taxes are only going to go down, they may not go down a lot, but they're not going to go up. and that's something both gary and i did. he cut taxes 14 times. never raised them. i cut tax es 21 times and never raised them. the result was in my case when i took office, it was a recession, 1991. we had the highest unemployment rate of all 11 industrialized states. at the end of my first term we had the lowest. because businesses have the confidence and employers to build that plant next door. so, you know, in terms of industrial policy, i may not be a zero, but i'm a four, i think you can make it possible for the winners to win where you have an
advantage. in my case, biotech, telecom, software. we grew those industries in massachusetts by paying attention to them. >> they're there to garner special tax favor. >> molly smith has a question. >> hi. similarly to donald trump's recent identification as a republican, you both have only recently formally identified yourselves as libertarian. can you tell us what you have done specifically while you've been in office that has been consistent with libertarian ideals? >> always coming down on the side of choice. >> can you be more specific?
>> well, i maybe was more outspoken than any governor in the country regarding school choice. i would like to get the federal government out of education allowing state dollars to be spent in those states as opposed to making a detour in washington where you send money 13 cents to washington and it come back 11 cents and then it come back with mandates. the war on drugs. look, we have tens of millions of americans in this country who are convicted felons but for the drug laws would be otherwise tax paying law abiding citizens. >> in office in, my case, eastbound though i was then a republican and not a libertarian, i cut the state budget 14% my first two months in office. i was voted the most fiscally conservative governor in the united states by "the wall street journal" in 1992. a couple years later, gary
johnson was voted out. of course i left office by then. and for ten years, no one followed suit. a pointed the woman who wrote the decision holding the quality of marriage as constitutionally compelled which led to the supreme court case holding that. i was the leader on the pro-choice movement as well. so almost all of my actions in office foreshadowed my eventual formal libertarian status. >> i may have vetoed more legislation than the other 49 governors in the country combined. and a lot of that was crony capitalism. a lot of that was spending in ways that in my opinion were political as opposed to actually addressing the issues themselves. government is for sale. i think my two terms as governor of new mexico really just kicked crony capitalism, kicked
corruption completely out the door. >> let's bring in ahmad green. he's from new jersey. currently undecided. >> good evening. my question is there has been statements by numerous candidates in the media that they respect but do not endorse the black lives matter movement. others have said they do not support the movement for black lives entirely. where do you stand on supporting, protecting, and upholding the human and civil rights of black people and people of african dissent in the united states and across the country? >> if i could, again, this may not be republican dogma, but what i did very early on in my administration was to establish an african caribbean-american commission, meet with them once a month myself. not a cabinet secretary. all your concerns, anything question do specifically, same for asian-americans, same for
hispanic-americans, met regularly with muslim and arab communities, my wife read from the koranarabic to them. i received the golden door award for friendliness to various people who were resident in our state. so that comes very naturally to me. i'm a pluralist. i think the essence of democracy is that the individual shall not be thrust in a corner. if there are members of groups who by virtue of their membership in that group are being thrust into a corner, that's when my blood temperature really starts to rise. >> governor, how do you speak to this issue from the perspective of ahmad's context which is that libertarians haven't traditionally embraced the black lives matter movement. you would and why? >> yes. well, i do. and i'll come back to the drug war. if you're of color, there is a four times more likelihood that you'll end up behind bars than
if you're not of color. and i think so much of shoot first has to do -- has roots in the drug war. knock the door down and then shoot. >> please, continue. >> well, it's huge and we would like to bring an end to the drug war and by that treat the issue as a health issue, not a criminal justice issue. >> last question. alex is from palm beach, florida. he has not decided yet who he's voting for. what's your question? >> governor, in your opinion, what do you feel is the greatest challenge facing our country's next president? >> i think it is the fact that government tries to accomplish too much and in doing that, it taxes too much and so we have some real issues with entitlements that, look, nobody is addressing the fact that
there does need to be reform to social security and mid care and medicaid. en that is not to say that we're not going to provide safety nets and provide services that people do need. but, look, if we're going to bury our heads in the sand over these issues, that's not what we're about. there's a truth here. these issues have to be addressed. it's an economic catastrophe. and we'll address them. >> do you have a plan for what to do with entitlements? >> absolutely. there are reformdz s to social security. >> to 75 you suggested. do you think can you get that done? >> i'm not giving a number here. this is something that congress is going to have to -- have to come up with. let's remember that when social security was adopted that nobody lived to the age of 55 was the average age of an american. and nobody was going to even
collect it in the first place. >> if i can answer that question in one sentence, the paramount duty of the next administration is to bring the country together. i think people's teeth are set on edge against each other as groups, a lot of the reason is republican versus democrat. gridlock in washington. hyper jerry mannedering. i think the next -- gerrymandering and the next president has to rise above that as president eisenhower and president reagan and make us all feel good about being americans. >> i hope it's obvious. we're proposing to do this as a team. we're not going to have separate staffs. that divides the two of us and it's two for the price of one. >> it's two for the price of. two but even that is a bargain in today's politics. >> spoken as a politician there. credit you to here tonight and the audience. we covered over a dozen of the issues that matter most to the mesh people right now. for the purposes of interduction, a couple quick personal questions as well. this is the first time we've been together and you have shoes
on. you almost vualways have sneake on. >> i always have sneakers on. everybody in my campaign is just -- don't blow it with shoes. >> not me. i didn't say anything. >> bill didn't say anything. >> but it's a nod to the fact that you're not just an athlete in the gym. you have achieved things athletically that most people wouldn't even want to consider. what have you done and why have you done it? >> well, what i've done is i've put one foot in front of the other, chris. >> like 100 miles at a time. tell the people what it is that you do? you're not jogging around the block with your dog. >> i've had the good fortune to climb the highest mountain on each of the seven continents. i probably competed in 300 athletic events and some of them have been real monsters. i competed in hawaii iron man four time, i have run 100 miles. i was talking about doing the grand canyon rim to rim to rim. >> hardest thing you've ever
done? >> hardest thing i have ever done? >> it was bicycling 600 miles in 36 hours. >> you know that you're a real athlete when the hardest thing you have done is not running for president of the united states. that's how you know when you're really into your sports. >> governor weld, a lot of people will probably know that you were a two term governor in massachusetts. but you're also a novelist. if you were -- even you as a novelist couldn't make up what we're living through in this election this year. >> not this year. nobody would buy it. >> if you were writing it, what you would title the novel about the 2016 election? >> oh, boy. i don't know. monkey business. >> i want to thank you both for being here. again, 12 major issues were covered tonight. give yourselves a round of applause. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> i hope you recognize the
opportunity and enjoyed taking the time. i know it was a pleasure for us here at cnn. of course, everybody in the audience and at home as well, that's what makes these events special and useful. thank you for all of you watching. cnn tonight with don lemon is going to start right now. >> all right. thank you for a lick at took at libertaria libertarians. >> you're looking at live pictures of cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. donald trump takes aim at hillary clinton and the promised big speech today. clinton firing back. that on the day of an extraordinary it is sit in by house democrats demanding action on guns and going head-to-head with speaker paul ryan. my political dream team is here with me to cover all of this breaking news. mr. mark preston is here and
dana bash is here. i want to get to kpil. an extraordinary drama june folding moments ago at the sit in by democrats. i want you to listen to this confrontation as chanting democrats shout down speaker paul ryan. [ chanting ] >> pursuant to the house june 8, 2016, the house joint resolution. the clerk will record the title of the joint resolution. >>. [ inaudible ] >> can you see the contentious moments happening. high drama on the house floor all day. what is the latest? >> it's a real estate moment. republicans are trying to do is really to regain control of the house floor after democrats have taken over, upended business and republicans say hijacked the house floor after a full day's protest. something that i really have
never seen happen on -- in the house covering congress for a number of years. what happened just now was an extraordinary moment. paul ryan tried to move forward as if business was a regular's day business v a vote on overturning a presidential veto followed by a vote to adjourn the house. and democrats shouting down the house speaker. you couldn't even hear the house speaker when we were sitting in the house gallery trying to hear what he was saying. a really remarkable moment. what's going to happen is after this vote, they're going to vote to adjourn. at that point the question is what do democrats do? do they stay all night and protest as they plan to do? republicans are saying that they're going to leave. and maybe the lights will go out. maybe the air conditioner will go off and the cameras will go off again. and then what do the democrats do? republicans are not going to give them a vote. in fact, they are digging in. they're saying because of the democratic antics, they're not going to give them a vote. they don't think they should reward bad behavior, don.
>> thank you. very interesting evening happening at the capital democrats shouting at the house speaker down moments ago as they tried to vote on overturning a presidential veto and also a adjourning the house. we don't know what's going to happen at this moment. you see live pictures of the house floor right now. we'll get to my panel in a moment. but as they were listening to this they were saying, listen. this is more like parliament. let's listen to the house floor a little bit. [ singing ] >> so what they're singing is "we shall overcome" and changing the words. i can't pick out what they're saying from my earpiece. maybe folks at home can. they're singing "we shall overcome" sang many time during
the civil rights movement and during black history month at celebrations and churches. this is all being led by john lewis who started all of. this i want to bring in congressman adam shift who participated in that sit down. congressman, thank you so much. by the way, happy birthday. what a way to spend your birthday. did you imagine you would be celebrating it this way? >> well, it will be unforgettable, that's for sure. i didn't. i'm glad to spend my birthday this way with a leader like john lewis and with my house colleagues to demand a vote on this most important of issues. and this is essentially a house version of the filibuster. there is no provision for that in the house rules. but we cannot get the house leadership to schedule a vote. they don't want the members held accountable on the issues. so we've had to use the extreme measures. >> so you've been part of this protest under way now for more than ten hours. why are you there? and what do democrats want? >> democrats simply want a vote. we want a vote on several bills
but we're interested in a vote on not fly, no buy issue. if someone is so dangerous that they're on the terrorist watch list that we can't allow them to fly. they shouldn't be able to go and buy an assault weapon an extended ammunition clip. we want to see a vote on universal background checks and a lot more. we demand to have some level of accountability so voters can say we're going to hold our representatives responsible. the house leadership has not been willing to give us a vote. they have really shirked their responsibility. they're attempting to hide the accountability from voters. and we are here to demand we get a vote after this most recent and terrible gun tragedy. >> representatives, stand by. i have more questions. i want to alert our viewers. if you just tune in, we're watching pictures from the house floor. and you can hear there is chaos. to some extent. democrats have taken over the floor. and they're not allowing fwoiz go -- business to go on as usual.
don't go anywhere, congressman. [ chanting ] >> on this vote, the ayes are 229. neys are 175 with two members voting present. previous question is ordered. question is will the house on reconsideration pass the joint resolution the objections of the president to the contrary notwithstanding. under the constitution, the vote must be by the ayes and neys. members will record their votes by electronic device. this will be a five-minute vote. >> you can see the acting chair there trying to get the vote on overturning a presidential veto and democrats on the floor. they've been there all day for ten hours. add after the shift is also part of this sit n how long do democrats plan to stay there? >> it's a good question. i don't know.
i'll have to cast my vote again. we're going to take the leadership cues from john lewis. he has led this day long protest this day long sit in in order to demand a vote. it will be my hope that after they gavel us down again that we will remain on the house floor. but we'll listen to what our leadership has to say on that and follow the good council of ripti iv representative john lewis. he is widely respected on both sides of the aisle. i can't imagine anyone better to lead us in this struggle for a vote on gun violence than john lewis. >> representative, i heard you loud and clear. with all due respect, give me one more question. this is not the first protest on the house floor. republicans did the same thing in august of 2008. the democrats turned out the lights on them s that -- you know, where the democrats, was that a good idea then? >> i don't recall what happened. there i understand that that's what took place. but the long and the short of it is i think this issue surpasses
importance in terms of what was before the house at that time swrech. we have had yet another mass tragedy and we're seeing this on a monthly sometimes weekly, sometime daily basis. and they have denied us a vote on this for years now. so i think the time is here for accountability. >> representative adam shift, thank you very much. i know you have important business to get. to we appreciate your time coming on cnn tonight. i want to bring in my political dream team. boy do i have exact right people to do it. >> the country stops and watches congress because somebody is sort of has a moment of political theater, it's usually in the senate can the filibuster. the rules allow for. that allow for the minority, sometimes member of the majority, but for a single senator to make a statement through a filibuster. the rules are so tight and the
majority rules with such a tight grip in the house which is the rules no matter who is in charge, it's very hard for the minority to make a statement. >> in fact, you heard the actsing chair say we're proceeding in spite of the objections that we hear on the floor and kept rolling through. >> exactly. >> this is the kind of control they have. >> precisely. this is kind of a very unique and creative way to get the massive attention that they're getting, not just with us but on social media and they're kind of fighting the fight. >> what will happen? will the lights go out? >> they could. you know, i wonder what the genesis of this was. did they sit around and say, wait, we don't have to do what they want us to do. maybe we can stage a sit in. this is a crazy blil yeapolitic. there are no rules. i think it's finally trickling down to the greatest lagging indicator in the world which is congress. and they're understanding, wait a minute. we don't have to follow the rules. and we can do this.
so the passion you see there, actually on both sides. you know, paul ryan dismissed it as a stunt today to wolf blitzer. and you see the passion of shift and lewis and others and nancy pel osi. we're used to seeing a scripted house of representatives more or less. and this is actually real. >> yeah. >> i think many americans might like it. >> exactly. let's talk about this function. at the core right now we're seeing washington, d.c. absolutely gridlocked, absolutely dysfunctioned. why congress as a whole has an approval rating in the low teens at this point. whether the issue, whether the issue right now -- and i'm probably being kind, right? it may even be the high single digits. but with the bottom line is, whether you think these measures should go through or whether you don't think they should go through, the country is very much divide od on this issue,
there should be progress. what we're seeing is indicative on the campaign trail and what we'll hear on the congressional campaign trail about how to change washington. yet, washington never changes. >> if you're at nine, that's not -- that's better than a two. >> that's better than a two. >> yes. >> they were saying congress is always that lagging indicator. i think on this particular issue for the democrats who are staging this sit in, their core supporters, their base has been since orlando extraordinarily active on this issue on social media, calling congressional offices. if you call any members of democratic offices, is they're flooded in a way they haven't been for quite some time despite mass shooting after mass shooting. i think they felt the need to tap a release volume of ease va. >> many americans are animate bid this. and touched by it. did you guys see the
congressman's note from his mom? >> yes. >> saying your mom called and she wants you to get on the house floor to be a part of this sit in. >> right. >> this is important to a lot of people. >> and the year since charleston, you know, it's been bottled up for quite some time. i do think it's the environment in which we're living and the politics that is driving this is this is different this year. >> exactly. >> i got take a break. there you go. there is your lawmakers at work live. >> can i say something also very quickly? we all at various points have covered capitol hill. we were covered -- >> you were the congressional correspondent. >> we were editors a few years ago. but there was such a premium on decorum, even in ancient times. but in more modern time, there is a premium or decorum. and to your point, in this day
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okay. so we're back now with breaking news and the extraordinary scene happening on the house floor now. democrats holding a sit in over guns. and they're going head-to-head with speaker paul ryan the acting chair as well. back with me now, my political dream team. dana is actually on set now talking and texting. >> no, keep going. zbh her sources to try to get us more information. moments ago, the acting chair came, gave the gavel. he said, you know, we're adjourned. the picture went down. do we still have the perau peri? >> that is down as well. >> i wasn't sure what they were saying. i have a very small earpiece. if you have a stereo at home and a big tv, can you probably
understand. that. >> i understand what the republicans are doing here because they disagree with the legislation. paul ryan thinks it's a stunt. but to sort of close the curtain like that and to shut down the house when there is a large group of people who represent a large group of people in this country, some of whom are democrats and some of whom are republicans who are calling for some changes -- >> at least two libertarians. >> to shut it down seems not like a good political move to me. >> it will play well with the base. but for the general public, it will not play well. >> also, don't they realize the networks are carrying this and people are watching and feel like, you know, the optics are bad. >> but to your point, it is a stunt, right? this is a political stunt. there are rules that govern things, however. as gloria said just a short time ago, there are different rules that govern the house and the senate. can you do this. it is called a filibuster.
>> is there any reason to believe that it's a vote that is being asked for about it democrats when on the house floor that it would pass? >> no. >> you're right. but, look, at least what they're saying is the reason it's resonating is they're not getting a chance. you put people on the record. you put them on the record. >> and use it against them. >> now as much as we're talking about is a gal vonn ivanizing e this s most of the republicans come from ruby red districts
that are for most part very pro gun and they're looking at this saying right on, turn the lights off. shut it down. >> and they're saying, speaker ryan, don't let the democrats dictate the agenda on this floor. we're the majority. >> if congress were working like a working institution, you might be able to find some kind of a compromise where people who were on terror watch lists might not be able to get a gun without taking away their due process. okay? there might be a way to do that. susan collins is trying to do that in the senate. if congress were working, they might actually be able to work it out. but as dana points out, that's not the way it is constituted rights now. >> but the argument is always about. that we hear this actually in the abortion debate, right? and as they try to protect, you know, the right to have an abortion you is can't let it get chipped away. there is what you'll hear from the national rifle association, if we give a little, we'll give a lot. that's why you see people
digging in very hard on this issue on what would seem to be an issue that you could come together on. right? there would be some kind of common ground. >> is this slippery slope argument really applicable whether it odometers this particular issue, when it comes to -- >> if you're a guns right a advoca advocate, it is. >> yes, there are a lot. but there are -- just looking at the senate, the people who are coming onboard with senator collins kind of compromised legislation which is just to narrow the list to the no fly list and the select list which is 100,000 people, not a million people. but the fact that you have lindsey gram wham from south carolina, a very pro gun state. he has a pro gun record and even on the democratic side, heidi hidecamp from north dakota has been interested in this legislation. you even have republicans who
are -- >> they have come out against it. that will complicate things. >> we don't know yet. >> i do think that one thing we should step back and look at is how different the politics of guns is today than just a few years ago. this is not something that democrats, even if this was their policy position would have felt they could have the optic upper hand on a night like this on this issue. this is something we have seen democrats run away from. because a fear at the ballot box over this. that is not the case anymore. that is not the case for hillary clinton at a national level in the presidential race. she's been running with this issue through the nomination season and clearly the general election season. and these democrats on the house floor, i think they're campaigning on this issue. they see this as more resident and beneficial for their voters than they have in recent years. >> the acting republican chair shutting it down, so to speak. gaveling and saying that the house is in recess.
and then they shut the camera down. democrats are holding a sit in singing "we shall overcome" on the house floor. a very well known protest song. of course, all of this started with john lewis a legendary civil rights activist and congressman, long time congressman holding this sit in. there have been saying shame, shame, shame, chanting and those signs that they were holding were wondering what it, is signs with the victims' names from orlando. we'll continue and have our congressional correspondent on the other side of the break and bring you live information, live details wlaf is happening on capitol hill. there are live pictures right now. will he's listen. >> the fortress and they come in and even then 11 people lost their lives in a matter of minutes from an individual who was hearing voices, told police weeks and months before that forces were talking to him. he had been arrested numerous
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this is from periscope. first i want to -- let's listen to this for a moment and then we'll bring in our senior political reporter. let's listen in for a moment. >> permission, the general from kentucky seek recognition. [ chanting ] so that was in defiance of paul ryan, the house speaker trying to move on early wert voting as usual and then to adjourn. now these are the live pictures that we want to look at. >> do you have a point in this house!
so as we're looking at social media and talking they ask why do we do it? some say you shouldn't do it. and that's what they wonder. why? they say you can't win. you don't have the votes. they said you must be crazy. they said you're wasting your time. i come back and say look at john lou fris 1963 when he was almost beat to death and said he couldn't do it either. but he didn't waste his time. that's why americans are better today. >> congressman greg meeks on the floor. the live pictures come from periscope. what's going on? >> don, the house floor has turned into bedlam.
all rules of regular order out the window as democrats continue to hold the house floor. it was a remarkable scene when paul ryan tried to move forward with the business of the house and have a vote on something unrelated to guns. but he was shouted down. democrats were chanting. they were singing "we shall overcome." they were chanting no bill, to break over and over and over again. we were waving signs. it didn't seem like legislative body. it seemed like a rock concert. i can tell you john that republicans are not giving n i talked to peter king of new york. congressman who actually spor l supports one of the bills that they're pushing for to deny terror suspects on not fly list the ability to buy a gun. he said that paul ryan should not give in to these tactics.
so clearly, while they may want to push for a vote, it may be having an opposite effect. >> i want you to stand by. we're going to need you throughout the hours here on krn. i want to get now to congressman steve israel on the phone. part of this, congressman, thank you so much for joining us. i need to tell that you my political panel is here with me. ha they'll be chiming in to ask you questions here as well. what is the point? >> the point is to get a vote on a no fly no buy bill before congress goes on vacation on friday. don, we said at the very beginning of this week that we would use every tool in our toolbox to get a vote. some of the tools will be blunt. some will be sharp. but we would sometimes use blunt and sharp tools. that's what we're doing. republicans like peter king have the ability to vote against the bill. they have ability to vote for the bill. but just give us a vote before going on vacation.
>> congressman, if you were to have this vote, do you think you would lose? >> it's unclear whether we would lose. the point is that we have a responsibility to cast our votes. the fact of the matter is that 85% of the american people support legislation that says if you're on the terrorist watch list you shouldn't be able to buy a weapon of war. 75% members of nra approve that notion. if they want to oppose, that's fine. they have the ability to do. that but we're owed the opportunity to cast that vote. so far, the senate has four votes. the splplan is to have us in session longer tonight. have us in session perhaps tomorrow and send us home on friday. i think that is unconscienceable. >> what is the disconnect? you said member of the nra want
it. republicans want restrictions, background checks and what you have. so then what is the disconnect between what is actually happening in congress and what the american people actually want? >> well, there is very perplexing to manufacture us. we simply cannot understand why when you have a bill that has such consensus that peter king, conservative republican introduced that has over 100 co-sponsors that has over 180 members of congress who signed a petition demanding a vote on that bill, we still don't understand why the speaker ryan is so dug in on this issue. he's not willing to give us a vote, we're going to use every tool we have. we'll stay here all night long. they say that's tough. you have to be up all night. at least we get to tomorrow morning. there are too many americans that don't get to the next morning and that's what this is about. >> you know, to that point, assuming do you stay up overnight, it is a week night. that will get you into thursday
and potentially into friday. but what is the end game if you don't have the ability to have a vo vote? there has to be a decision made whether you try to keep business closed down or what would the next step be assuming that paul ryan doesn't, you know, give into your demands? >> we have stated explicitly, mark that, we're prepared to stay for as long as it takes. and if paul ryan who is the speaker of the house and is in the majority, if he brings down the gavel on friday without giving us a vote, then republicans will be going back to their districts. they're going to have to explain why they went on vacation without even casting a vote. the house is likely to be in pro forma session for a couple days next week. we intend to be back. we intend to do our jobs and earn salary and demand that vote for as long as they keep the lights on. if they keep them on, we'll do
it in the dark. >> congressman, two quick questions for you about sort of the day and how this sun foldun. you met with hillary clinton this morning before this started. did this come up inside that meeting? did you make her aware that you were going to be doing this on the house floor? >> i have to be honest and tell that you this is a rather spontaneous and organic action by house democrats. over the weekend, leader pelosi and i spoke several times about a range of option that's we've had. and the options ranged from minimal to maximum. so the groundwork was laid. this morning we will a democratic caucus where congressman from california and i asked the caucus to be patient. indicated that there were things we thought we would need to be doing. what you saw today, however, it
wasn't really part of that. what you saw is an eruption of frustration by house democrats that would be denied a vote. and so this took place in a very organic and spontaneous way. you know what? sometimes spant natuontaneity i. what you're seeing is an action by house democrats and very little appetite by my colleagues to leave the floor and go home and go to bed. they want to stay and fight this fight. >> let me just ask you a technical question. we're seeing the live images from periscope and social media. you have heard of any reprecushions for you guys for using these mobile streaming devices on the house floor right now to get the images out? >> well this is very interesting. early on, this start add the 11:15 this morning. the first hour, a representatives were coming to the floor and admonishing members who were using their cameras. as you know, we're not allowed
to engage in any kind of photography on the floor of the house. they gave up on that after an hour. there were too many members who were wanting to express what was happening on the floor to their constituents. and the reason for that is the republicans turned the cameras off and turned the microphones off. there was no public access to what represent is were doing. as a result of. that we close to use our own cameras. and our own devices and the representatives and sergeant of arms simply conceded to that after an hour or so. >> dana bash? >> congressman, you know, you should just go on the floor and facetime us with at this point. i mean, all bets are off. >> you stole my question. >> i'm sorry. but i just actually want to ask you a question about the reality of the politics of the house with, you know, as well or better than anybody since you ran the democratic committee to get democrats elected to the house for several cycles.
>> let's listen in. stand by, representative. hold on. >> i want to direct tout floor. >> let's listen. >> his fear is well founded. i say it's time for a real debate on these issues. with equal time. >> we're talking about radical islam. radical islam killed these poor people. no fly, no guns! no fly, no guns! no fly, no guns! >> that is louie goldberg. he is a republican congressman from texas. he is getting into it. getting it into with a
congressman. he's from california. why do you want to let terrorists buy the guns? >> oh, yeah. >> why do you want let terrorists provide guns? >> that sounds like -- why are you protectsing terrorists? >> hey. radical islam killed these people. >> no. >> a terrorist with a gun. [ all talking at ones ] don't let terrorists have a gun. don't let terrorists let have a gun. don't let terrorists have a gun. >> dana? dana? >> congressman, can you walk out there? we'll face time with you if you want to go out there.
>> i'll do that if you give me a minute. >> go for it. we got it. we can handle it. please call us back. >> will do. >> all right. so we're watching the pictures and dana pointing out exactly what's going on. you said that was congressman sherman. >> it was democratic congressman brad sherman from california who was speaking. who was in the well getting into a screaming match with louie gilmer, the republican from texas. a little hard to make out. but he was clearly arguing it's not guns who killed people, it's terrorists who killed people. and why you are letting terrorists have a gun? there isn't decorum. >> they're in recess so there is are no rules. >> so this is like the schoolyard right now. there are no rules here. and there are no teachers standing on the side anymore because they've kind of given up, right? about enforcing the rules. >> the principals have walked away. >> i have to get to a break.
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yes, it is breaking news. this is unprecedented what is happening on the house floor. you're looking at live pictures now. this is from periscope. the republicans have turned the cameras off. the majority have tushd the cameras off. the democrats are holding an extraordinary sit in demanding action on guns. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. here is what civil rights icon and congressman john lewis told our wolf blitzer earlier today. >> we cannot wait. we cannot afford to take a break and go home. >> we're discussing the blistering speeches by donald trump and hillary clinton. the gloves are really off now. now i w